Total Success...was Re: [linrad] RE: Linrad and Fedora Core 3

[w3sz@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Thanks for the note and for the great interest!

Let me first say that I now have Linrad running fully [I think} on the new Fedora Core 3 system.  It turns out that instead of /dev/mouse the proc was /dev/mouse0.  So I just made a symbolic link /dev/mouse that points at /mouse0 and the mouse works fine ;)  

I get noise out of linrad and the controls work as they should on the screen.

Next I wil move the computer to where the ANtennspecialisten Modules are, and give it the acid test ;)

Here are the answers to your questionns:


> I think UBUNTU uses Debian Installer, at least they seem to be very
> similar at the eye. If you want to activate root user under UBUNTU, you
> only have to write " passwd root", if I recall well. It is very strange
> that UBUNTU could not start the Xwindow system, as it has got a good
> hardware autodetection, when I tried it It went well. Perhaps your video
> card is too new. You can try to
> look at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf(or)XF86Config-4 at Fedora and try to fix
> UBUNTU or Debian, mainly to see what card driver they use. If Debian
> found the network you have access to the internet, you only have to do
> apt-get install whateverpackagename to install the software, provided
> that you have /etc/apt/sources.list file pointing to some ftp or http
> servers, what I supose the installer did, if it did not, I send you my
> /etc/apt/sources.list:

Both Debian and Ubuntu used XFree86 versions from 2003.  SO my video [Intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2] card is not likely to be supported in either installed version.  That is why XWindows wouldn't start, I think.  In both cases error messages were similar. 

As I indicated, I couldn't download new XFree86 as I didni't know the version of glibc that had been installed.


> Ok, you can try and experiment Debian later ;-). Sure Fedora works
> quickly out of the box, but sure you will run into problems later when
> upgrading software, hi,hi...

Well, I have used Red Hat only beginning with 6.2 and even though I am NOT a computer person [and don't want to be; I just want to run Linrad ;),  with RedHat I have been able to get up and running faster than most using other systems, and I have updated RedHat many times with no major problems.  

THis was the worst I ever had it, and it just boiled down to a single line of code and a symbolic link to get everything running.

And with far more time spent on Mandrake and the Debian distros, I still haven't even got to an XWindows environment.  So I am not yet convinced of the advantages of those distros for those of us who are not computer people, but just want a tool to get something done ;)


> Debian systems need to be installed once in the life of the computer. I
> know that Debian losses many possible users cause the Xwindows initial
> failure. When I installed the woody version, it also failed to start X.
> Is your card suported in the XFree version Debian sarge provides? What
> card type have you got in your FEDORA Xwindow config file?. I mean the
> section:

In Fedora Core 3, the file Xorg.conf has for my video card:

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "Videocard0"
	Driver      "i810"
	VendorName  "Videocard vendor"
	BoardName   "Intel 865"
EndSection

So things seem to be working for me with Fedora Core 3 and I am Happy.  I can go back to doing radio ;)

Thanks everyone for all the help, and

73,

Roger
W3SZ


> Hi Roger!
> 
> w3sz@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Hi, Leif,
> > 
> > Actually I am still VERY interested in Fedora Core 3.
> > 
> > As you recall, it installed completely in about 30 minutes and worked with 
> XWindows and everything except svgalib.
> > 
> > So far I have spent about 20 hours on Mandrake, Debian, Ubuntu and have yet to 
> have anyone of them work with xwindows.
> > 
> > Today I found that Ubuntu couldn't start Xwindows, but it DID find the network 
> card OK.  It wouldn't let me set the root password [I later discovered that the 
> default mode is to have no root set up] and I decided to try "Sarge"
> > 
> > Debian "Sarge" found the network, but wouldn't start X windows.  I figured out 
> how to get to an ftp site to download a new version of XFree86, but didn't know 
> my version of glibc, which was apparently necessary, so I just gave up after 
> trying several suggestions on how to figure that out, none of which worked.
> 
> I think UBUNTU uses Debian Installer, at least they seem to be very
> similar at the eye. If you want to activate root user under UBUNTU, you
> only have to write " passwd root", if I recall well. It is very strange
> that UBUNTU could not start the Xwindow system, as it has got a good
> hardware autodetection, when I tried it It went well. Perhaps your video
> card is too new. You can try to
> look at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf(or)XF86Config-4 at Fedora and try to fix
> UBUNTU or Debian, mainly to see what card driver they use. If Debian
> found the network you have access to the internet, you only have to do
> apt-get install whateverpackagename to install the software, provided
> that you have /etc/apt/sources.list file pointing to some ftp or http
> servers, what I supose the installer did, if it did not, I send you my
> /etc/apt/sources.list:
> 
> deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/pub/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> > 
> > I decided to work on things I really need to work right now, and moved on to 
> other things.
> 
> Ok, you can try and experiment Debian later ;-). Sure Fedora works
> quickly out of the box, but sure you will run into problems later when
> upgrading software, hi,hi...
> Debian systems need to be installed once in the life of the computer. I
> know that Debian losses many possible users cause the Xwindows initial
> failure. When I installed the woody version, it also failed to start X.
> Is your card suported in the XFree version Debian sarge provides? What
> card type have you got in your FEDORA Xwindow config file?. I mean the
> section:
> 
> 
> Section "Device"
>          Identifier      "Generic Video Card"
>          Driver          "nv" # I have a very cheap NVIDIA Riva TNT Card
> EndSection
> 
> You didnt give us details why X windows did not start. Some times it do
> not work cause the video card driver settings, sometimes even fails
> because the mouse settings.... You can ran "dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xfree86" to redo the Debian config steps, or even test some config
> stuff XFree86 comes with, like
> 
> "xf86cfg -textmode" will do an easy configuration program. I do not know
>   if Debian Sarge uses XFree or Xorg X server (I thinkk that the 
> former), but they come with
> similar config programs. It could be something like "xorgcfg -textmode",
> if I remember well from my Gentoo and FreeBSD experiments.
> 
> Good luck.
> Ramiro, EA1ABZ.
> 
> 
> > 
> > So if there is a way to keep FC3 working with svgalib, I AM VERY INTERESTED.  
> None of the other flavors of Linux have gotten as far here.  and the ratio of 
> time spent to get a non-working Non-Fedora Linux installation  vs a working 
> Fedora Installation is about 40:1 at this point!!
> > 
> > So I am going to read your post carefully and see if I can get Fedora to work.
> > 
> > Thanks and 73,
> > 
> > Roger
> > W3SZ
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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