To: "Rein A. Smit"
From: "Shelby Ennis, W8WN"
Subject: Re: From Meteor WEB page
Rein -
Thanks for the work. I really don't know how to set up or design a Web
page, and just don't have the time right now to learn it, as have several
new projects right now.
Probably should have several sections under the MS page. Also, links from
that page to the stuff the Europeans are putting out, especially concerning
HS CW MS.
Just don't have time right now to think too much about it, etc. But for
now, heading toward the Perseids (and right after that I'll be leaving for
Minnesota for 2 weeks), maybe this, to try to get at least a little
interest in the HS CW tests:
If you still have that initial thing I sent out a couple of months ago,
which you had on before, it might be a good intro to the subject, until we
have time to actually sit down and work up something better.
ko0u put out several long messages. I could possibly edit them down
somewhat for additional material. But will have to read them again to see
if they would really fit in here.
Maybe a section with announcements where the thing I set off this morning
could be posted, and then more of this type (and other fellows' listings of
skeds, requests, etc). A link to the "Make More Miles" page with its US &
European listings of stations would be good here.
A note on the probable peaks of the upcoming showers would be good. For
the Perseids, the International Meteor Society says, "Since 1992 the new
peak has shifted gradually in solar longitude, from 139.48 degrees in 1992
to 139.66 degrees in 1996 (2000.0 coordinates). Considering this shift,
the 1997 peak is expected to occur around 0815 Universal Time [August 12]."
"The 'traditional' maximum is expected around 1800 UT on August 12."
A listing of the various VHF reflectors (moon-net, wsvhf, etc) & how to
join would be good here or somewhere else. (You may have this already in
your pages - I just haven't had time to look around on the Web at all for
several months now).
I'm sure we could design something quite worthwhile. Unfortunately, most
of it will have to be up to you, at least for now, I'm afraid. I'll be
glad to forward you info, old references, etc, but can't do much more than
that for awhile.
Thanks for your interest and help. 73, Shelby, W8WN
To: "Rein A. Smit"
From: "Shelby Ennis, W8WN"
From: "Piet van den Bos"
To: w8wn@ne.infi.net
Hello Shelby,
I just have read your message on the Meteor reflector.
I like to wish you good luck with HIGHSPEED MS !
and hope you can find some partners for running during
the Perseids, but also outside the major showers it is possible
to do some nice QSO's via Meteor-Scatter.
This mode gives me many hours of fun and i like it very much.
Normal i run with a memory-keyer and tape recorder or DTR
not computerized.
Good reflection and keep us informed about the results.
73 Piet, PA3BZO
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CALL: PA3BZO
Name: Piet van den Bos
QTH : JO21RS
E-MAIL: pa3bzo@amsat.org / pvdbos@worldonline.nl
WWW: http://www.worldonline.nl/~pvdbos/home.htm
[144MHz MS/CW skeds welcome]
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To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu, wsvhf@qsl.net
From: Steve Harrison
Subject: Update to 9A4GL HSMS Program
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 14:10:35 EST5EDT
de Ko0U/1: The following just received on the Meteor Scatter reflector:
!! MS DSP V0.34 available !!
From: 9A4GL @ 9A0BBS.HRV.EU (HeTi)
To : VHF @ WW
Hi MS-Workers !
If you have internet access, you can get the program at:
http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~9a4gl
The MS-DSP V0.34 is finished, here are some new futures:
0.34 (23 Jul 1997)
1) Added BIG TIME clock
2) fixed some bugs in sound blaster routine, there will be less crashes now
(but not fixed completly)
3) Added SPACE key support to mark (select) the area when you hear a
ping/burst
4) Added RETURN key support that copy the marked (selected) area to first
empty buffer
5) Fixed usage of F1-F9 keys (for buffers switching)
6) Added support for some keys (some buttons are available also as keys via
keyboard:
R - Record
P - Play
S - Stop
I - Pick
V - Volume (Mixer)
SPACE - described before
RETURN - described before
7) Added Microsoft WAV format support (before there was not full
compatibility with Microsoft WAV format) for load/save sound to disk
The documentation is in ZIP package !
73 de Tihomir, 9A4GL@9A0BBS.HRV.EU
email: 9a4gl@fly.cc.fer.hr
http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~9a4gl
(VHF) DK3XT de DB0GE>
73 de
Bernie dk3xt/ab7iy
"Make More Miles On VHF"
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To: "Rein A. Smit"
From: "Shelby Ennis, W8WN"
Subject: Re: Wed Skeds
From: Andrew Flowers
Reply-To: jf51411@navix.net
Organization: http://www.qsl.net/k0sm/index.html
To: "Shelby Ennis, W8WN"
Subject: Re: Wed Skeds
K0SM, HS CW, 30 min. 10 S1s. 3 very good strength. Are you really
running only 10 watts?? However, had trouble getting info. Most were
weak, and it sounds like you're running at abt 2000 lpm instead of 1000.
Did get most of calls, but difficult.
Wow! you actually heard me! It's 25w and a 13b2 @ 50 ft. Can we try
again on Friday at 10:30z and go for 30 min? If not how about 11:30z
for as long as you can?
Maybe we're on to something with this HS CW!
Andy K0SM
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
Subject: MS skeds from EN10
I'm seeking 2 meter skeds for the Persieds from EN10rt. I'm new to
meteor scatter and just ran my first sked this morning. I'd prefer to
run high speed CW (80wpm+), but I'd be glad to do SSB. I only have 15
states on two, and most of those within 500 mi. I'm on one of the few
hills in the area which should help a bit.
FT-290RII (160W by Aug 4)
13B2 @ 55ft
Andy K0SM EN10rt Lincoln, NE
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
From: Shelby, W8WN
Subject: Perseids HS CW MS
Here is some new information:
9A4GL has updated his MS_DSP program to include just about all the features
that some of us had requested! His new Version 0.34 can be found at:
MS_DSP program by 9A4GL
How about not being able to copy CW, even at Novice-level speeds, but you
still want to operate high speed CW for MS? It apparently is possible now!
But no, you still have to decode it yourself. Konfused? Go to:
VisualMS program
You'll find a description, with very colorful graphics, of his Visual MS
program. Yes, the very high speed CW is displayed as dots & dashes on the
screen, and you can eyeball it and (hopefully) figure it out! I believe
this requires Windows 95, so I can't give this a test.
(I have problems visually reading dots and dashes anyway - I can handle it
by ear at 40 wpm much easier). But it looks fascinating!
For links to the two above pages, other VHF pages, and a running discussion
of high speed CW for MS work, look at the new MS Web page at:
HS MS and More
Rein is adding MS info to this page nearly every day, so keep watch here
as the Perseids approaches. I believe it will have a place where you can
leave a request for skeds, also.
Our TENTATIVE plans for high speed CW CQs during the Perseids are as follows:
Sat eve, 9 Aug (local time) - a couple of hours of CQs on 144.100,
listening on 144.106.
Sun eve, 10 Aug (local time) - maybe an hour of CQs on 144.100, listening
on 144.106.
Mon eve, 11 Aug (local time) - a couple of hours of CQs on 144.100,
listening on 144.106.
Then a short nap, if nothing happening.
Tues morn, early, 12 Aug - CQs on 144.100, listening on 144.106. Various
skeds (HS CW, CW, SSB). Break in mid-morning (local), continuing on and
off until local noon.
More exact times, given in UTC, AND PROCEDURES will follow on about 8 Aug.
NOTE that when I'm calling CQ on 144.100, anyone calling will call and
listen on 144.106. (I will actually be calling CQ F, which indicates that
any QSOs will take place UP 6 KHZ). This is a standard procedure for this
style of CQs and will be explained later. And this allows a number of
stations to all call CQ on 144.100, but each QSYing up to a designated
operating freq. (At this time, it appears that there will be at least 3
stations, all in different parts of the U.S., calling CQ on 144.100 and
also looking for HS CW skeds). You can read more about procedures on
OH5IY's big, multi-part MS program's .txt file, or other places on some of
the Web sites linked to the above sites.
We've had a number of interesting questions and comments in the past few
weeks. Some of these can be found at:
HS MS and more or at:
Mirror Site
73, Shelby, W8WN
Shelby, W8WN - EM77bq
w8wn@ne.infi.net
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
From: Art, N5JEH
Subject: 2 Meter meteor scatter
Would like to listen in on some 2 meter ms during this next shower. I have
not had much luck with ms here in Albuquerque (DM65) Don't know if it's the
set up (17 ele at 50 ft 200 watts ) or the location (a 5,000 ft + mountian
range to my east.) Need to listen on a frequency away from 144.200 (all the
local weak sig guys chat there.) Thanks in advance. Ed N5JEH DM65RD
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu, wsvhf@qsl.net
From: Paul Wade N1BWT & Beth Wade N1SA
Subject: looking for Perseids skeds
looking for Perseids sked from FN42en, MAssachusetts
especially the following states, please:
Iowa
Nebraska
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
Mississippi
Nebraska
North and South Dakota
please reply with a suggested time
I would be happy to run with anyone who needs this rare grid or state!
running 600 watts to single yagi at 75 feet.
73
Paul N1BWT
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
Subject: Wtd: Meteor Skeds with EN33
Matt, KA0PQW, located in EN33 would like to make some 2 meter meteor skeds
for the upcoming shower. He will be available anytime on the 11th and 12th.
Please send requests for skeds with date, time, freq & sequencing to me at
Rich, N0HJZ
THANKS!
Rich N0HJZ
To: "Rein A. Smit"
From: "Shelby Ennis, W8WN"
Subject: From Lance
Hi Shelby! I think it's great what you are doing to popularize the high
speed meteor scatter over here in the US. It reminds me of what I was
involved with in trying to get the new "Maidenhead" Region 1 gridsquares
accepted and used over here 15 years ago. As you know, it's caught on
pretty well now, which is increasingly important as the world becomes a
smaller place. I think the same thing is true of the high speed ms
stuff...as we all accept the same standards and gear up the same way,
opportunities will increase in making contacts around the world.
As an old 2m ping jockey from the 60's, I always used to favor the "real
time" SSB contacts popular over here. Building an "endless loop" tape
player to run skeds and/or call CQ seemed like enough of a challenge
without trying to record high speed bursts and then slow them down to
see what was there. However, I agree that "the time is right" now with
the high speed ms. The fact that most VHFer's over here are pretty
comfortable with grid squares, and the popularity of computers at more
and more operating positions, make it an easy step these days (and make
it very very close to "real time" contacting).
Over visiting PA0JMV a couple weeks ago, I was quite impressed by his 2m
grid square map - practically everything in Europe was colored in! As
you know, there are 2m DXpeditions almost every weekend to rare grid
squares, and just about any grid square within 1200 miles can be worked
any time of year within 15 minutes using the high speed protocols.
Collecting grids is a very popular pasttime over there. I am interested
in following the results of your efforts and learning how quickly this
high speed cw is accepted and used by stations over here.
My personal interest in this is in exploring its application to 6m, and
I also will let you know what I find out there. Although relatively new
to 6m DX (I have only been on the band for a year), I think there are
especially good applications on 50 MHz, given the longer duration and
higher frequency of meteor bursts on that band. My theory is that multi
hop sporadic E (or even a good long single hop meteor burst) could be
"connected" with a short meteor burst, permitting a contact over pretty
sizable distance on 6m, which otherwise might go undetected/unused. For
example, while I was writing this email to you, I heard a spanish
speaking short meteor burst come through on 50.125; I am pointed at
Cuba, and anything past Arkansas is typically double hop for me. If we
had been set up for a high speed ms sked, I probably could have logged a
country that would otherwise be missed (and certainly was in this case)!
I am not that knowledgable or familiar with F2 (and have not been around
long enough to work it yet on 6m) to know whether meteors can be used on
"the Magic Band" to connect those kinds of hops. If it were possible,
it certainly could open up a large number of countries to spots in the
world (like Montana) which are just out of reach of the right E or F hop
distance to a new country. I suspect there are all kinds of wierd
things out there (either natural or man made) that we could find
actually lined up for short periods - that would be long enough for
contacts using efficient high speed techniques.
Best wishes, and I look forward to following the progress of the high
speed CW over here. Vy 73, Lance, W7GJ (ex-WA1JXN, WA3GPL)
From: " Mike Smith, VE9AA
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:12:43 +0000
2 ops from fn65 (NB Canada) are looking for 2m MS skeds starting
RIGHT NOW, until a few days after the Perseids.
Mike-ve9aa-170w, 2 x 16 el
Chuck-ve1rg-170w-long M^ yagi
Chuck/ve1rg is available until FRiday this week, away for peak, and
will be back on Tuesday sometime. Prefers ssb, mornings and evenings.
Will do 20-25wpm cw on request tho.
Mike/ve9aa is available almost around the clock for the next week
or so. Prefers 40wpm cw, but may be QRV on HSMS cw in a few days.
(I just can't stand hearing about all the excitement w8wn and ko0u/1
are having anymore...not to mention the thousands of EU's using this
mode-hihi!) Will of course also do SSB if requested.
Thanks, es GL on the ROX!
MIKE (& Chuck)
QSL's for CY9AA go to:
Mike Smith 271
Smith Rd
Waterville-Sunbury Co.
NB, Canada
E2V 3V6
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To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu, wsvhf@qsl.net, meteor-scatter@qsl.net
From: A HREF="mailto:steveh@fons.com"> Steve, KoOU
Subject: MSDSP 0.40 Has TX!
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 11:03:01 EST5EDT
While running a sked with WD4KPD this morning, David told me that 9A4GL has
posted his latest version of MSDSP, version 0.40, on his web site:
MSDSP ver 0.40 by 9A4GL
This version incorporates both a receive recorder AND transmit subprogram! I
haven't tried it yet, but the documentation indicates that addition of the
transmit subprogram now requires that a stereo sound board be used because
the second channel is now used to generate...get this!..a keyed tone that
you can inject into your mike input for really high-speed MS!
9A4GL cautions there is a serious bug whereby the two sound board channels
get swapped sometimes, necessitating stopping and restarting of the
transmit/receive sequence again. He's working to fix the bug, so we should
see an update pretty quickly.
Also, he apparently did not have time to finish setting up the program
timing for sequences; for the time being, you must set it to receive or
transmit manually when the sequences change.
Timohir's program is not the first HSMS program to combine both receive and
transmit functions; F6FLV has had his program available for some time,
called CWMSTXRX.ZIP. I have been unable to find a web page for F6FLV as yet.
You can find his program on some of the usual FTP sites; next time I look,
I'll record a couple of sites and pass them on. Meanwhile, try doing a web
search for CWMSTXRX. The transmit subprogram of CWMSTXRX provides a keyed
output on selectable COM or LPT ports for an interface circuit, such as that
used for OH5IY's MSSOFT, K1EA's CT, W5UN's CWKEYx, and others.
One reason that F6FLV's program is relatively unknown is because much of the
documentation, and the program notations, is in French. I've run it in
transmit mode, but could not quite figure out how to use it for receiving as
I don't know French. The documentation is not very long, and I don't think
it would take very long for a bilingual English-French speaker to translate
it; any volunteers out there?
I am not certain which programs will not run under Windows except that 9A4GL
says his will not run under the DOS prompt in Windows but that others have
told him that it will run under W95; and OH5IY's MSSOFT generally runs fine
under Windows but was not really designed to be used that way.
As the Perseids draw closer, W8WN and I have been finding the number of
sporadic reflections at our sked time of 1115-1130Z to be drastically
decreasing; this morning, Shel only heard a half dozen pings from me, a new
low. On the other hand, I copied more than three times as much from Shel
today as yesterday, which was my low point (only 1 burst, 7 pings) since we
began our daily skeds at the beginning of May.
73, Steve Ko0U/1
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu, wsvhf@qsl.net, meteor-scatter@qsl.net
From: N7STU
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:42:16
To: w3po@juno.com (Patrick J BENDA), vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: MSDSP 0.40 Has TX!
Pat, Steve,
I downloaded it last year from
MSDSP 0.40
don't know if that is still good.
At 01:16 PM 8/6/97 -0700, Patrick J BENDA wrote:
>hello there Steve ,
>I am french an if you could send me a copy of the program I would not
>mind trying the translation. Plus I'm in vacations therefore plenty of
>time to goof off.
>73 Pat W3PO in Fm18
73, Robert N7STU/YB2ARO, DM07aa/OI52ee
n7stu@psnw.com
(Norcal WSWSS activities & N7STU/YB2ARO homepages)
(1997 WSWSS Technical Conference Information Page)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 21:08:26 +0000
To: "Rein A. Smit"
From: Shelby, W8WN
Subject: Misc
Rein -
Have only a moment. Thanks again for all your work. FINALLY got onto the
Web & looked at your page again. Coming along nicely.
9A4GL has new Beta version of his MS_DSP out, WITH XMIT capabilities! It
puts out an audio tone from one channel of the stereo SB audio board to run
to the mike input. Not great quality, but tested it today & seems to work!
Has a couple of known bugs (still a Beta version), but I strongly
recommend it!
Msgs from two or 3 new fellows saying they're coming on board in time for
the Perseids if they can get the HS CW stuff to work for them!
On the SETI - I was using it only as an example of things that could be
considered controversial! I really have no idea if there's other life out
there or not. (I'm not at all sure that there is any intelligent life in
Washington, DC, for that matter!) But I DO think it's a very worth while
subject for experimentation for Hams. I'm not at all opposed to it - but
others don't find it "worthy" of their time. & I agree with your
statements about the Creator, etc. Just don't have time to elaborate more
on it, for have to leave again in just a moment.
Will TRY Thurs eve to put out the first (long) CQ information, with
proceedures. This will need to go onto your Web page, as will not repeat
the full proceedure again. Had hoped to do this earlier today, but just no
time. Too many things have come up. And then had to try 9A4GL's new pgm.
Must run. 73, Shelby, W8WN
Shelby, W8WN - EM77bq
w8wn@ne.infi.net
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 18:18:48 -0700
From: Jordan Arndt
Reply-To: Jordan, VE2SWL/VE6
Subject: Meteor help
Why do I get peaks 10 hours apart from W9IP's and OH5IY's software IP's
says peak is at 2309utc on the 11th IY's says 0900 on the 12th...??? I
have loaded my parms ok but still comes out the same...??? any ideas???
73 de Jordan VE2SWL/VE6 in DO-21 skeds anyone???
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
Subject: A few MS and Weak Signal Notes
From: km1h@juno.com (km1h @ juno.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:57:18 EDT
While measuring my 2M transverter performance in anticipation of the
Perseids I thought of a few things that may benefit new and old ops. Some
are basic but bear repeating.
- CW reception in a 500Hz bandwidth has roughly a 6dB advantage over
SSB. For instance with my basic xvtr / TS-940 setup the system 3dB MDS is
-144 dBm on SSB and -150dBm on CW. That is the equivalent of going from
100W to 400W just by flipping a switch.
- Be careful to not overdrive the RX front end of your rig. This holds
with either a xvtr or a regular multimode with a preamp. My xvtr has
about 30dB conversion gain and just the background noise was causing
substantial AGC action. With AGC ON the MDS degraded from -144 to -138dBm
on SSB. Switching in 10dB attenuation in the TS-940 brought readings back
to -144dBm with AGC ON or OFF.
A hot GaAsFet preamp with 25-30 dB of gain will cause similar AGC action
in any radio. It is best to check out the total system BEFORE the shower.
- Running with the AGC OFF can be an advantage for sked type operating,
it pays to experiment a bit. Forget that idea during calling frequency
bedlam.
- On CW using an audio peak filter can add quite a bit to the MDS. On the
TS-940 it brought the MDS from a decent -150dBm to a level of -156dBm.
The disadvantage of all this selectivity is you have to know precisely
where the other station is and hope no one drifts.
- Check the band in all beam headings for birdies AND at the times you
plan to operate. It is no fun to have to change a sked frequency 5
minutes before.
If anyone is using one of the new rigs with built in DSP I would
appreciate your comments after the shower.
Enjoy the shower.
73.....Carl KM1H
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:37:38 -0700
From: Neil Jessen
To: vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu
Subject: Question about MS
This may sound like a dumb question, but here it goes:
Do people work MS during the daylight hours?
Seems like most of the sked activity on the reflector and all the stuff
I hear and work on the air happen at night. Is this the case? I'm sure
the meteors don't know the difference.
Just thought i'd ask.
73, Neil - N6RPL
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 08:39:48 -0700
From: Jordan, VE2SWL
Since there seems to be a lot of newer Hams who are going to be running
skeds this year could one of the more experienced hams out there explain
proper sequencing procedures for ALL of us... I have heard many QSO's
busted because of incorrect or unequal sequences... is it Call..... GRID
Sq. ... Roger ? is roger S1 or S2 necessary??? What is Standard
procedure???? I myself and am sure many others would appreciate a
standardized sequence especially on 2 and 432 I wlll have 275 watts to a
Tonna 19 element yagi on 432 and will have the amp HOT just in case and
be on 432,110 ... 73 de VE2SWL/VE6 in DO-21... Jordan.
Comments: Shelbi, W8WN
Comments: Rein, W6/PA0ZN
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