These Data were submitted on: Monday, July, 28, 2003 at 12:17:36 URL: Fred www.qsl.net/oe8fnk Address: OE8FNK E-mail: mycall@qsl.net CPU:: Celeron CPU Speed:: 600 Mhz RAM:: 288 MB SOUND CARD:: M Audio Delta 44 SOUND DRIVER:: Oss397L ADDITIONAL CARD1:: Creative ViBRA16C PnP (ISA) ADDITIONAL CARD2:: CMedia CM8738 (on MB, unused) VIDEO CARD:: Matrox G450, dualhead, one in use VIDEO DRIVER:: from Matrox web (for X11) with openGL LINUX DISTRIBUTION:: Redhat LINUX VERSION:: Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2-7 KERNEL VERSION:: 2.4.18-14 GCC VERSION:: gcc version 3.2 20020903 SVGALIB VERSION:: svgalib-1.4.3 (?) TEXT: Linrad works, with 25 khz BW from homemade RX: I use the VXO of the IC-202s. RX is 2x Ext. Preamp, SA602AN Mixer to 10.7 MHz, one more stage with Crystal filter (30 Khz) (this has to optimized) and then convert to baseband with 2xSA602 for I+Q. I know that the SA602 is not the best, and I have absolutely no idea about the performance. But it will improve... I plan using 2 RX and 2 Antenna inputs with 60Khz BW. Currently have only 35db from Preamp + 45db in the Receiver, this raises the noisefloor only 5db. Received sucessfully CW, SSB (!) signals, 2m beacons, and meteor echos. *INSTALL PROCESS* All the Linux and Linrad install process was easy, earn my money with Linux. The /etc/vga/libvga.config needs the "chipset VESA" line. No problems with compilation. Took several hours to find out how to configure the soundcards. Tried ALSA first, without any success. After switching to OSS the soundcards are recognized by Linrad, and osstest gives the needed information about the devices. Q&A: Q1: What is the total amplification needed for a 2m Receiver into a Delta 44? Q2: Anybody knows how to modify the IC-202s VXO for better phase noise? tnx Leif's answer: Hi All, I found this question from OE8FNK: > Q1: What is the total amplification needed for a > 2m Receiver into a Delta 44? The Delta44 saturates for 10V peak to peak when set to minimum gain. This is 3.5V rms. When talking about gain at RF we usually mean power gain. At audio frequencies we talk about voltage gain. This can be confusing because the input impedance of the Delta44 is very high so it does not consume much power. To avoid any confusion, assume a 50 ohm resistor is connected across the Delta44 audio input. 3.5V rms is then 0.25W = +24dBm. (nearly all the power goes into the resistor) The Delta44 noise floor is at about -146dBc which becomes -122dBm across the 50 ohm resistor. The noise figure is thus 174-122 = 52dB. For a noise figure of 0.4 dB at the antenna input you will need 65dB gain if the noise figure of the preamplifier is 0.2dB. There will probably be some noise from various other sources than the preamplifier and the Delta44 so you will need some additional gain to overcome that. You might also want to come closer to the ultimate 0.2dB noise figure limit given by the preamplifier in this example. I would guess you arrive at 70 to 75 dB gain in total. The NF of the Delta44 itself is actually much lower than 52 dB. If the soundcard were properly matched (transformer) to 100 kiloohms or whatever the input impedance is, it would se perhaps 25 times more voltage and have a NF in the order of 25 dB. 73 Leif / SM5BSZ More answers from Leif Hi All, I found this question from OE8FNK: > Q2: Anybody knows how to modify the IC-202s VXO for better > phase noise? There are two problems. There are some comments in QEX Jan/Feb 2003 page 44. There is a pdf on the Linrad home page. The relevant text is: -------------------------------------------------------------- At 144MHz, even an IC202-- the purest commercial transmitter I know of-- is not good enough. It is possible to lower the noise floor of an IC202 by about 10dB: First, replace the 470 ohm emitter resistor of the LO with a 150 ohm resistor in series with an RF choke. Then decouple the base of the first frequency multiplier stage for low frequencies by installing a 1 ?F capacitor in series with an RF choke. Modified like this, it is just about good enough to be used as the LO in a direct-conversion 144-MHz receiver, but only if a low-level Schottky-diode mixer were used. A high-level mixer needs about 15 dB more LO power and would therefore give much higher susceptibility to LO sideband noise. -------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to use the 144 MHz signal for a direct conversion radio you should also reduce the gain at 144 and increase the level on the low frequency side of the crystal filter. I do not remember the details. Performance is at: http://antennspecialisten.se/~sm5bsz/dynrange/rig_compare.htm 73 Leif / SM5BSZ Hello Leif, and Hello all. Thank you very much, Leif, for taking the time to answer all my questions. you wrote: >Then decouple the base of the first frequency multiplier >stage for low frequencies by installing a 1 ?F capacitor >in series with an RF choke. This means 1 microFarad? thank you for the dyn. range link. After 6 month of continuous reading and learning from your website I still didnīt find all links :-) 73 es gd dx Fred Hi again Fred, > you wrote: > >Then decouple the base of the first frequency multiplier > >stage for low frequencies by installing a 1 ?F capacitor > >in series with an RF choke. > > This means 1 microFarad? Yes. > And thank you for the dyn. range link. After 6 month of > continuous reading and learning from your website I still didnīt > find all links :-) It is a new link;) There is "Update information and complete list of files for this site" at the top of SM5BSZ Home page. Not always updated, but it is valid most of thre time. 73 Leif