9/26/2003 I modified a Morphix[1] image to automatically start linrad. This CD has automatic hardware detection, using the kernel OSS drivers. Linrad is running on tty1, aumix (sound mixer) is running on tty2. To switch to the mixer press Alt-F2, to switch back press Alt-F1. Linrad does not have any stored settings so each time you boot off the CD you need to go through the setup screens. http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~josh/Morphix-linrad-01.07.iso The image is only 33MB, and you can burn it via Windows. Please let me know how it works for you? If you have any questions or suggections please pass those along. 73, KD7HGL Later, JOSH [1] http://morphix.sourceforge.net/modules/news/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9/27/2003 Hi Josh, Great idea :) I downloaded your iso. Burned it. It starts up fine. It starts up linrad OK, but when I type on the keyboard nothing happens. Perhaps the iso could have a two stage start up? First stage linux up and running. Then start linrad. That way the hardware can be checked out and any pre-startup stuff done. I am not sure that that would help in my case, but it might. john, ni1b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9/27/2003 What type of KB are you using? I only use a PS2 KB, so a AT or USB keyboard may not work the same. Does pressing F2 on the setup screen show you the detials of the setup? (I'm trying to figure out when it stops working) I am only running linrad on of the consoles, if you try to change to another console does that work? Alt-F2 or Alt-F3 (Press and hold Alt, then press F2) You can also start the CD in single user mode, and not have linrad start. On the initial boot screen (where it says press F2 for more options) try: morphix single This should give you a bash prompt. You can try out the keyboard now, if it works you should try linrad from here. You need to run three commands to start linrad. /etc/init.d/linrad aumix linrad The first copies some files, and sets the mixer to default to line-in. The second lets you change the mixer settings. The third starts linrad. If single user mode does not work then we need to look more at your hardware. The morphix or knoppix[2] site may have some ideas. Since my image is just a slight change to MorphixBase-0.4-1.iso you may want to try that image as well: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/morphix/MorphixBase-0.4-1.iso?download Please send me your hardware configuration, that may also give us some ideas to look at. Thanks for trying it out. Hopefully we will get it working shortly. Later, JOSH (KD7HGL) [2] http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-old-en.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9/28/2003 Hi Josh, Thanks for your speedy reply :)) This is a Pentium 1ghz. Standard AT keyboard with ps-2 connector. The powerup dialog complains about lack of SMD? instructions in the cpu, so my guess is that it is a hard crash once linrad gets going. I cannot switch screens and even ctl-alt-del does nothing. Thus my thought about a two stage boot (so the user could tell when it was dying). I will try to download what you suggest Monday and give it another shot. I didn't notice the setup screen (I think I was away from the pc at the time), but I'll try what you suggest next time I am at the shop. warm regards, john, ni1b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9/28/2003 Hi Josh, Thanks. I can now get just the OS up and will take your instructions and probably get things up and running this PM :)) Thanks for your ongoing help. regards, john, ni1b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10/2/2003 I just check the logs and I know this image was downloaded a few times, but I never heard back from anyone (except john ni1b) about it working. Did it work when you tried it? Should I keep making new images when there is a new release of linrad? Was 33M to large, would more people try the CD if I could make it smaller? Just trying to find out what the interest is in something like this. Thanks. 73, KD7HGL Later, JOSH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10/2/2003 Sorry about the delay Josh! I downloaded the image and burned a CD. It starts just fine on my Compaq Laptop (Presario 700)??. But not on my desktop Fujitsu/Siemens it`s seems to be some problem with the integrated videocard. I think the idea is great and the size is not a problem, at least if you sits on xDSL or better. However a lot of people still is trapped with 56k modems so if possible a smaller package would probably increase interest. 73 de SM7MMJ Kent Hansson Consultant Radionetworks NxT Scandinavia AB Anckargripsgatan 3 SE-211 19 Malmö Phone +46 709 261 852 Fax +46 733 824 189 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: owner-linrad@antennspecialisten.com [mailto:owner-linrad@antennspecialisten.com] För Josh Logan Skickat: den 2 oktober 2003 19:03 Till: linrad@antennspecialisten.com Ämne: Re: [linrad] Live-CD for linrad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10/2/2003 Hello Josh, Today the CD arrived by mail. I have a slow modem here, downloading 33 M is not practical;) My friends at Antennspecialisten who made the CD say that it works on something like 50% of the computers they tried it on. My "Internet computer" on which I never tried Linux before seems to work. The motherboard has integrated sound and video, I can see spectra on screen but I can not got audio input and output simultaneously. Would probably be ok with one more soundcard. The PIII computer does not boot from a CD any more. I do not know what has happened to it, but other bootable CD's give the same result: "Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM:", then nothing at all..... I tried a portable, a Packard Bell, svgalib does not work. I get a good selection of video modes to try, but none of them works. > Did it work when you tried it? So the answer is not really.... > Should I keep making new images when there is a new release of linrad? Would it not be possible to make a CD that boots like the present one but that tries to mount the floppy, looks if there is a linrad binary file on the floppy, then executes linrad from the floppy if the file is available there. This way upgrading Linrad versions would be very easy:) Another thing, saving parameter settings is very convenient. It seems to me parameters are not saved now, all settings disappear if the ram-disk is switched off. It would be very good to have the system switch for the floppy as the default directory (if there is a floppy). Then all parameter files will stay on the floppy. Linrad currently looks for calibration files, help and error messages and other files in the default directory. Presumably Windows will not like it's hard disks to be written on "from the outside" so it might be a good idea to place most of the files on the floppy. The CD could look for the files: linrad, help.lir and errors.lir on the floppy, copy them all to the floppy from the CD if they are all missing. Then everything could be executed from the floppy. The only other files needed are the EME database files that could stay permanently on the CD. As you see I love to use floppies, but maybe many computers come without floppy drives these days. If that is the case, some other solution would be needed. For example one could look for a directory named C:\linrad on the hard disk. If it is present the user could get the option to decide if he wants to work from there or not. If the user works from there, parameter and calibration files may be changed on the hard disk which should be perfectly safe but might cause Windows to complain and do a hard disk test before starting. In normal linrad operation one would just copy everything from C:\linrad to the ramdisk and execute from there without any permanent changes to anything. I will take the CD to some of the stores around here and see if they allow me to try to make their portable computers run from it. I would love to have Linrad on a portable:) 73 Leif / SM5BSZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10/7/2003 Looks like a lot of people tried the old version of the CD. Following some of Leif's suggestions I have made some changes that I hope make it work on more machines, and let you save your parameters. This version is CD/floppy combo. The CD image is down to 10M and does not have linrad or SVGA files. The floppy holds linrad and the SVGA files. This way you can also save your parameter files. Also to upgrade to a new version of linrad or SVGA files you just change the floppy image. When you boot up it will pause and ask you to put the floppy into the drive. This will also let you see if the computer booted correctly before starting any SVGA programs. Also see note 1 below. All of the files are located under: http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~josh/linrad/ Here are the new files: http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~josh/linrad/Morphix-linrad-0.1.iso (10.4M) http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~josh/linrad/linrad-01.07_svga-1.9.17.image (431k) http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~josh/linrad/linrad-01.07_svga-1.9.17.image.gz (1.4M) I have both a .gz floppy image and full size image. Maybe this should just be a zip of the files, but I like being able to make the disk under linux. I have the .gz version because it is a lot smaller, but you need winzip or similar on windows to uncompress it. I also have a copy of rawwritewin to make the floppy http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/~josh/linrad/rawwritewin-0.7.zip Under linux to make the floppy the commands are: superformat /dev/fd0 (may not be needed) gunzip linrad-01.07_svga-1.9.17.image.gz (if you get the .gz image) dd if=/linrad-01.07_svga-1.9.17.image of=/dev/fd0 bs=21k Please let me know how this version works. Or if you need more information on setting up the flopp. The sound modules are the same as the last image, but SVGA has been upgraded so it should support more graphics cards. I'm trying to have both the linrad and svga version in the file name so we can make a SVGA 1.4.3 version, if that works better on some machines. 73, KD7HGL Later, JOSH NOTE 1: You could also switch to Alt-F3 and use a USB device instead of a floppy. Here are the commands: insmod usb-storage mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/test cd /mnt/test ./linrad Not very well tested, but it does work... NOTE 2: You can use this floppy with the original CD Make the floppy, then boot off the old CD. Run the following commands: Alt-F3 mount /mnt/floppy cd /mnt/floppy ./linrad Make sure you use ./linrad or you will run with the old SVGA and not save your files to the floppy. Please let me know how this works. If it looks up while booting please try running "morphix noscsi" on the initial boot screen to turn off SCSI detection. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10/8/2003 Hello Josh, some simplistic questions: 1. How do I control booting from the CD ? 2. If windows XP home is installed, can I still use the LINRAD CD ? 3. Do I need LINUX installed ? I have the RED HAT V8 package. I have not made the leap to LINUX yet, but I see a lot of merit to LINRAD I appreciate your work with the bootable CD, real progress. Stan, WA1ECF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10/8/2003 On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Stan wrote: > Hello Josh, > > some simplistic questions: But good questions! > > 1. How do I control booting from the CD ? Under the BIOS (Usually F2) you can setup the boot order. Change the CD to be before the HD. Do not put the floppy before the CD or HD, the floppy is not bootable. This is different for every bios, so I can't tell you how to make the changes. > > 2. If windows XP home is installed, can I still use the LINRAD CD ? YES! This does not touch the windows install, so you can just use the floppy and CD to have a fully working linrad setup. Reboot, remove the CD, and you will boot back into windows. > > 3. Do I need LINUX installed ? I have the RED HAT V8 package. No this CD has all of the files you need to run linrad. > > I have not made the leap to LINUX yet, but I see a lot of merit to LINRAD > > I appreciate your work with the bootable CD, real progress. Thanks. > > Stan, WA1ECF > 73, KD7HGL Later, JOSH >